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CAM-C ponderings

Post by RACERSD2 » Thu May 14, 2015 12:28 am

OK been doing a little research and thinking....

CAM-C been thinking about a 94-96 Mustang.
302 came in it. better suspension than Fox, easier to upgrade. easier to find in better condition.

NOW would a V6 model be better, easier to find than a 302, better shape most of the time, swap in a 302 and a 5spd.
gonna swap out suspension any way.

BIG HP 302 would be neat maybe blown.
18x11 all the way around.

Griggs suspension? or?

Will? or anybody????????? thoughts??????
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Post by CobaltSSlow » Thu May 14, 2015 9:38 am

Maximum Motorsports makes some really nice suspension stuff for these as well in tiered packages and things can also be bought separately.

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I don't think going with a v6 would save you any money. I'm not completely familiar with the SN95 platform but it will likely have different spindles, rear end, fuel system, ECU, cooling system, brakes, etc. If your just planning on doing a complete ground-up restoration and not reusing any of the original GT stuff then a V6 or GT roller chassis might be for you.
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Post by Will94SC » Thu May 14, 2015 10:02 pm

Everything a 302-powered SN95 can do, a 4th-gen Camaro can do better.

The suspension on an SN95 is BARELY better than a Fox, which means it still sucks. You'll have to replace every bit of it to get decent performance.

Stock to stock the 302 is already down 100 hp to the LS1. Also, the 302 only came in the 94-95, which means OBD1. Moates Quarter Horse is a fantastic OBD1 tuning solution for Fords, but OBD2 will always be easier and better.

Don't get me wrong: the CAM rules will let you fix everything wrong with an SN95, but you'll spend more than you would on a 4th-gen.

I agree that the Mustang is a better looking car, and well, a better car. But the Camaro is a better racecar.

It's not that I'm a fanboy. I had planned to buy an SN95 instead of my Camaro, but it just didn't make any sense.

I even looked for a 94-95 to replace my red MR2, but man, are they ragged out at this point, and I can't see the sense in buying a car that's similar to the Camaro, but worse.

All that said, I can understand wanting one, so if you just want one, go for it.
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Post by RACERSD2 » Thu May 14, 2015 11:25 pm

AND... There goes the air right out of my balloon.

I am just not a fan of the 4th Gen CAMARO. I mean they are OK BUT....

I thought about something crazy to build like a 4 door Maverick.
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Post by drjeffapp » Fri May 15, 2015 8:49 am

like a 4 door Maverick
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Post by Choray911 » Fri May 15, 2015 9:34 am

Will, I was thinking the exact same thing.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Mustangs, but they just dont turn well.
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Post by rocket71 » Fri May 15, 2015 12:00 pm

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Post by Will94SC » Fri May 15, 2015 10:44 pm

RACERSD2 wrote:AND... There goes the air right out of my balloon.

I am just not a fan of the 4th Gen CAMARO. I mean they are OK BUT....
I hear you. Someday, I want to own a Mustang. The only problem is that unlike a lot of cars, Ford keeps making them better. I wanted a 94-95, just like you. But then the Mach 1 came out, and I wanted one of those. Then the S197 came out. Then the Shelby GT came out. Then the new 5.0 came out. Then the Boss 302 came out. Now the S550 is the new hotness. If Ford would quit making them better, it'd be easier for me to pick the one I like best and buy it.

And it must be said: the FRPP Terminator media fleet car Ford lent me for a week was absolutely insane. Like "No joke, giving people this much power is actually kind of negligent in a very legal sense of the word" insane.*

If you really want to do this on the cheap, here's what I'd do:

Find a 96-98 GT. They're dirt cheap because the NPI (Non-Power Improved) heads, cams and intake suck. The engines are rated at 225 hp (same as the 302), but the 99-04 GTs make 260 hp thanks to PI (Power Improved) heads/cams/intake. The good news is that 4.6 engines run forever if you take care of them. Look at all the cop cars, taxis, and livery Towncars with 300k+ miles on them.

Look for a 248a package car. That's basically the closest Ford got to the 5.0 LX in the SN95 body style: spoiler delete, foglight delete, power lock/window delete, cloth V6 seats. In the 94-95, that was called the GTS option.

Lower it, find some Bilsteins or Koni yellows, shove as much tire as you can fit on 18x10.5" Chinese knockoffs of factory style wheels, max out the front camber, put in a 1-3/8" front sway bar and hope for the best.

You'll have a fun car for sure. Remember that you're essentially driving a 1978 Ford Fairmont and it will put the performance in perspective.

The MM stuff RJ mentioned is actually pretty good, but their Maximum Grip box for a 96-98 will cost you more than the car: http://www.maximummotorsports.com/1996- ... P1036.aspx.

*a journalist driving a press fleet Shelby did manage to kill a pedestrian out in CA several years back.
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Post by CobaltSSlow » Sat May 16, 2015 1:57 pm

Since I assumed you wanted to be competitive in an sn95, I figured you had come to grips with this reality already:

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That stuff is really expensive, but it sure is pretty. Road-race / hpde prepped cars pop up occasionally on svtperformance and stangnet that have already had a MM or Griggs catalog thrown at them, that would probably be the only way to do this on a relative "budget".
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Post by stockerbill » Sat May 16, 2015 4:01 pm

Maybe you should take a look at the 2005+ Mustangs. They are, after all, almost 10 years old and not ridiculously expensive. The GT had 300HP with the 24 valve SOHC 4.6L engine, not too bad, and I think there are supercharger kits for that engine (not sure though). Better suspension all around and lots of aftermarket stuff. Vorshlag could set you up pretty well, I would think. There are quite a few 2005-06 GT manual trans cars on Auto Trader for less than 10K with lots of miles. Any of the later mod motors would drop in if you wanted lots of go (think 32 valve 5.4L). Drawback is I think they are pretty heavy.

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Post by Will94SC » Sat May 16, 2015 6:44 pm

Agreed. The S197 is waaaaaaaaaay better than the SN95 in every respect. I do wish they'd gone with an SLA front suspension, but at least they finally put the coil springs on the struts instead of the control arms.

I want to say the weight is around 3450-3500.

And there are definitely blower kits for it--I documented a Magnuson installation in one back in the day.
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Post by CobaltSSlow » Wed May 20, 2015 10:10 am

Justin actually found this, it would be better at 5-6k though. IRS and the whole MM catalogue thrown at it.

http://asheville.craigslist.org/cto/5030209166.html
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