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Post by Choray911 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:29 pm

So some time I get ubsurd thoughts in my head that make no sense.
Cho's Random thought of the day is how bad ass would it be to have a Pontiac Solstice with a supercharged LSX?
There is a water damaged Solstice for $3,000 in ATL, & a motor swap should be pretty cheap. For $15k I could have a prepped car for SSM.

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Post by randallwilcox » Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:46 pm

Great idea. You can easily get a lot of tire under a Solstice. You should start that project as soon as you are done with your Miata.
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Post by Will94SC » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:17 pm

Choray911 wrote:So some time I get ubsurd thoughts in my head that make no sense.
Choray911 wrote:ubsurd thoughts
Choray911 wrote:ubsurd
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Re: Cho's random thought of the day....

Post by CobaltSSlow » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:10 am

Why get rid of the Ecotec? Less weight, 500hp comes cheaper than an LS swap (turbo, cams and e85 tune) and then you won't have to go to LS fest and hang out with the Monster-sticker-mafia.

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CobaltSSlow wrote:Why get rid of the Ecotec?

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Post by CobaltSSlow » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:36 pm

I'd really like to build a big-power ecotec, but I won't do it in the Cobalt since it already has about as much power as it can use. That guy was running some dumb turbo and a 5th injector and ethanol since he started running out of fuel.

Borg warner has the EFR series that are application specific, bolt In and '500hp capable' on an otherwise completely stock motor + a cam with a larger fueling lobe. The DI high pressure fuel pump can only support 450-475ish max. This is with the EFR6758 on 93octane.

No it isn't an LSX, but I'm getting soooo bored with them. Soon the world will be overrun with LS swapped everything. Image

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Post by rocket71 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:05 pm

randallwilcox wrote:as soon as you are done with your Miata.
That's a good one!

RJ how can you be tired of the LS swap till you have done one. Plus, that kinda power in a FWD car would not be fun.
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Post by CobaltSSlow » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:04 pm

My internet-jaded mind is just bored with them.

I would swap one into a 2.4 solstice in a heartbeat. If it was a GXP then I'd roll with what's in it.

If its a 2.4 please say its a hard top.

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Post by Will94SC » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:16 am

Why do those power graphs only start at 4000 rpm? What are the power numbers like below that?
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Post by rocket71 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:19 am

OT, but I live the GXP.
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Post by randallwilcox » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:54 pm

rocket71 wrote:
randallwilcox wrote:as soon as you are done with your Miata.
That's a good one!

RJ how can you be tired of the LS swap till you have done one. Plus, that kinda power in a FWD car would not be fun.
I'm glad somebody appreciated that.

I think the LS in the 2.4 version is totally the way to go. But it also totally depends on what you want to do with it. The SCCA hates the LS, and penalizes it "heavily" (see what I did there?). For autox, a supercharged Ecotec Miata is clearly the way to go :) For a track monster, LS all the way.
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Re: Cho's random thought of the day....

Post by Choray911 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:23 pm

An ecotech wouldn't go in a miata & stay in ssm. You can't mix manufacturers. Otherwise everyone would run a LS1 rx7.
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Post by Choray911 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:24 pm

Plus I said it was a thought, not that I would actually do it.
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Post by randallwilcox » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:16 am

Eh, nobody fast would run the LS RX7 either 1) because of the weight penalty, and 2) because none of the fast guys are doing it. Strelnicks is kind of an oddball running a 3 rotor that has to weigh 2800#. Hell, he has to detune his car to a reasonable HP just to make the car drivable. All that being said, I still think you should go ahead and build the SSM LS Solstice. It's good for the sport for people to think outside the box. Plus that could be a totally bada$$ DD/Sunday driver. And then I could ask for a codrive :D
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Post by Choray911 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:03 am

randallwilcox wrote:Eh, nobody fast would run the LS RX7 either 1) because of the weight penalty, and 2) because none of the fast guys are doing it. Strelnicks is kind of an oddball running a 3 rotor that has to weigh 2800#. Hell, he has to detune his car to a reasonable HP just to make the car drivable. All that being said, I still think you should go ahead and build the SSM LS Solstice. It's good for the sport for people to think outside the box. Plus that could be a totally bada$$ DD/Sunday driver. And then I could ask for a codrive :D

I would need some one to win me some tires, Cuz I sure as sh!t couldn't do it.
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Post by Will94SC » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:09 am

randallwilcox wrote:The SCCA hates the LS, and penalizes it "heavily" (see what I did there?).
Given the power that people are getting out of small displacement forced induction engines, I think it's time the SCCA reconsidered its displacement-based weight formulas. Obviously, guys like Eric have proven that you can get a ton of power from a 4-banger in an SSM package, but in many (probably not all cases) you can get the same power in a considerably cheaper and more reliable formula from a V-8. The engine itself is its own weight penalty. The SCCA is essentially telling people to spend more money on smaller engines in order to save weight.

Look at that one guy (his name escapes me) who's been building an Ecotec Corvette for SSM. That's a hell of a lot of work for the sole purpose of trying to get a lower minimum weight than with an LSx.

Oh, and Cho and Randall are right. An LS-powered FD is a wonderful thing.
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Post by Choray911 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:20 pm

The bad thing is if one could get a base auto Solstice for $3k that is water dammaged they could build a hell of a car for $15k, or just buy a stock GXP Solstice for $15k. Then to make it competitve with the 4 banger they would have to shell out some serious coin to get the same amount of power & make it stick.

it would be interesting to see what would happen if they allowed engine swaps from different manufactures.
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Post by Will94SC » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:21 pm

Choray911 wrote:
it would be interesting to see what would happen if they allowed engine swaps from different manufactures.
That exact proposal went out for comment last year, I think. I wrote a letter against it because it was basically XP with interiors.
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Post by Choray911 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:09 pm

Will94SC wrote:
Choray911 wrote:
it would be interesting to see what would happen if they allowed engine swaps from different manufactures.
That exact proposal went out for comment last year, I think. I wrote a letter against it because it was basically XP with interiors.
I don't expect it to happen, but it would be interesting.

SR20 in a Chevette.

Couple of SR20s a would pull a premium a week before race wars.
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Choray911 wrote:
Will94SC wrote:
Choray911 wrote:
it would be interesting to see what would happen if they allowed engine swaps from different manufactures.
That exact proposal went out for comment last year, I think. I wrote a letter against it because it was basically XP with interiors.
I don't expect it to happen, but it would be interesting.

SR20 in a Chevette.

Couple of SR20s a would pull a premium a week before race wars.
You expect me to believe that somewhere in this world there's a Chevette that hasn't rusted into oblivion?
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Post by rocket71 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:02 pm

Chevette is Cho code for Corvette.
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Post by Will94SC » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:09 pm

rocket71 wrote:Chevette is Cho code for Corvette.
Why in the actual **** would anyone put an SR20 in a Corvette?

Hell, all the drifters take cars that actually came with those engines and shove LS1s in them.
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Post by randallwilcox » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:21 pm

Will94SC wrote:
randallwilcox wrote:The SCCA hates the LS, and penalizes it "heavily" (see what I did there?).
Given the power that people are getting out of small displacement forced induction engines, I think it's time the SCCA reconsidered its displacement-based weight formulas. Obviously, guys like Eric have proven that you can get a ton of power from a 4-banger in an SSM package, but in many (probably not all cases) you can get the same power in a considerably cheaper and more reliable formula from a V-8. The engine itself is its own weight penalty. The SCCA is essentially telling people to spend more money on smaller engines in order to save weight.

Look at that one guy (his name escapes me) who's been building an Ecotec Corvette for SSM. That's a hell of a lot of work for the sole purpose of trying to get a lower minimum weight than with an LSx.

Oh, and Cho and Randall are right. An LS-powered FD is a wonderful thing.
I agree. Even tho I have always run against the LS cars with the small displacement turbo engines, the SCCA formula requires too much weight for large displacement NA motors. I mean, c'mon, a 3 rotor turbo has a lower minimum weight than an LS motor. The 3 rotor can match tq/hp numbers of the LS all day, yet can be hundreds of pounds lighter. Plus, where the hell do you find a 3 rotor nowdays. Not nearly as accessible as an LS.

As for the Ecotec Vette, that's so wrong I don't even know where to begin....even if it is the smart play for running an SSM Corvette. Sick and wrong.
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Post by Choray911 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:29 am

Will94SC wrote:
Choray911 wrote:
Will94SC wrote: That exact proposal went out for comment last year, I think. I wrote a letter against it because it was basically XP with interiors.
I don't expect it to happen, but it would be interesting.

SR20 in a Chevette.

Couple of SR20s a would pull a premium a week before race wars.
You expect me to believe that somewhere in this world there's a Chevette that hasn't rusted into oblivion?
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Post by Choray911 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:33 am

Plus, I'm looking at this in a pur finacial standpoint. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to build a LS1/2/3/5/19 in something than building a 3 rotor RX7, or a turbo Miata, or a boosted Ecotech ect.

I'm talking about the easy button.
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Choray911 wrote: In the Nooga posted 20 hours ago. Thanks Phil!!
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Post by CobaltSSlow » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:07 pm

F20C?
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Post by Choray911 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:22 pm

CobaltSSlow wrote:F20C?
WTF???????
What is wrong with you??????
Did you eat paint chips as a child??????

Ecotech :D
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Post by drjeffapp » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:01 pm

Because I am dumb and don't [have time to] read the rule bookz, why are we then seeing some LS swapped Miatae racing with us?
it would be interesting to see what would happen if they allowed engine swaps from different manufactures.
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drjeffapp wrote:Because I am dumb and don't [have time to] read the rule bookz, why are we then seeing some LS swapped Miatae racing with us?
it would be interesting to see what would happen if they allowed engine swaps from different manufactures.
Because XP, not SSM.
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Post by drjeffapp » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:35 pm

Ah...a simpler answer.
Yes.
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Post by rocket71 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:22 pm

There still aren't any XP LSx vehicles.
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rocket71 wrote:There still aren't any XP LSx vehicles.
Sure there are. Just not nationally competitive ones.
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Post by rocket71 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:13 pm

That's a given....and the only thing that matters.
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Post by drjeffapp » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:17 pm

I think an LS powered Mini would be awespicious
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drjeffapp wrote:I think an LS powered Mini would be awespicious
You are talking about an LS Integra motor in a mini right?
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Post by drjeffapp » Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:08 am

Naw man... big block with the hood cut open for the blower.
Zoom zoom. Drivers wanted n sh&t.
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drjeffapp wrote:Naw man... big block with the hood cut open for the blower.
Zoom zoom. Drivers wanted n sh&t.
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Post by drjeffapp » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:01 am

:wtg: :wtg:
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Post by rocket71 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:22 am

Anyone ever seen an AWD LS powered vehicle?
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rocket71 wrote:Anyone ever seen an AWD LS powered vehicle?
You mean like a Trailblazer SS?

I don't think they exist.

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Post by CobaltSSlow » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:41 am

This guy has a Audi RS6 with a mild LS1, and he actually tracks it.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-h ... judas.html
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Post by rocket71 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:26 am

Trailblazer SS, do you think that is what I am talking about? I mean something cool and in a car chassis.

https://plus.google.com/photos/11767181 ... 3143963825

Wow, thats too cool.
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rocket71 wrote:Trailblazer SS thats just a dumb response.
You asked a question. I provided a correct answer.

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Post by rocket71 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:02 pm

Lol. You quoted me as I was changing it.
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Post by Choray911 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:21 pm

I've been thinking that a SS trailblazer running gear in a Miata would be bad a$$. Only thing I dont have a solution for is the front spindles for the FWD part. I might be able to modify the 323 front spindles, but that would require some sort of effort.
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Post by drjeffapp » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:23 pm

More effort than, say, rebuilding a Miata that's still in pieces in one's garage?
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Post by rocket71 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:50 pm

Would a Cyclone or Typhoon drive train be easier?
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Post by Choray911 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:47 pm

CobaltSSlow wrote:This guy has a Audi RS6 with a mild LS1, and he actually tracks it.

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Post by Choray911 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:53 pm

rocket71 wrote:Would a Cyclone or Typhoon drive train be easier?

Eh.... Have you ever looked or worked on a Cyclone? It is the most ill conceived car/truck ever made. They literally said "What can we use to make a bad azz something or other without creating any new parts? & the Cyclone/Typhoon was born.

C/T people are actually taking out their turbo motors & putting in LS motors.
Once you get out od 2nd gear the C/T has nothing left & falls on its face, where as the LS1 (as we all know) was brought to us by Jeebus on a golden Chariot being pulled by Pegasuseses.
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